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Communities Feedback (Round 1)

Round 1 of feedback for Communities was carried out as a 'challenge' in https://hive.blog/hive-102930/@guiltyparties/communities-brainstorming-challenge

Collected feedback (as presented below) is attached in a downloadable .txt file: communities-feedback.txt

Observations:

  • Communities are being strongly related to Hive Engine tokens and Tribes. A Tribe-like capability within communities is increasingly expected by users.
  • Users want their community to act as a microcosm of the larger Hive and share the same capabilities and governance options (as if the community is its own side-chain)
  • There is a lot of emphasis on moderation and removing bad actors as well as community-specific statistics and other supporting management tools

Key points:

  • Additional moderation features and capabilities (muting users out of communities, potentially through the use of the blacklist feature)
  • Chat capability
  • Governance tools (electing moderators, hive-# account with multi-sig capabilities, governance structure within the communities, funding options)
  • Content discovery and sorting (sub-tagging, ordering within communities)
  • Management tools (ability to set beneficiaries, ability to set max payout for posts in community)
  • Statistics
  • Gamification of communities
  • Translator tool

Detailed feedback: Some of the points were slightly edited for clarity. Where possible I also went through the individual posts' comments and pulled out suggestions.

@nonamelefttouse

  1. Communities won't even work if the plan is to strip the Hive token's functionalities. Not sure what needs to be improved if suddenly members can only work for random shit coins only, most of which won't even be able to get off the ground if Hive isn't there to provide a main layer of support. People will simply flock to the tiny handful of communities with actual rewards, if those even exist. With this market being so small now, it's ridiculous to think all current stake holders will take an interest in all community tokens in order to support all community members. If the plan is to strip Hive's reward pool, scrap the plans, halt development, put a fork in it, because it's done.

@Jarvie

  1. Allow communities to have metadata categories to identify what they talk about to help front ends connect communities to new users.

  2. Allow communities to sub-divide their content easier and decide what sub-divisions of content they are most interested in so that it encourages that type of content.

  3. More stats about communities... such as number of actual posts all time, number of posts in last week. Interactions is a number for comments but a viewer wants to know how many posts are in there... and perhaps showing when the last post was or how many new posts since the last time you marked notifications as viewed.

@borislavzlatanov

  1. Community admins being able to set recommended or mandatory payout percentages (anywhere between 0.1% and 100%) that go to a dedicated community account. So that posting in a community and earning rewards there becomes a fundraising initiative for the entire community. The community then can have its own governance mechanism for how the funds are used (presumably it will be to further the community's purpose).

  2. Another feature is advertising in the community, with the ad revenue going to the community-dedicated account. If I understand correctly, @imwatsi's Native Ads Protocol will make this possible.

@bashadow

  1. Improved search function for finding communities on the Hive Block Chain Categorize communities to aid in the search. Example:
  • Social
  • Technololgy
  • Political
  • Blog
  1. Specify created post tag order. First tag=community Second Tag = community category, (landscape, portrait, Black and White) Third tag = community sub-category, (city, nature, ocean, people pets etc>) Fourth and fifth tags = non-specific search tags/contest tags (cats, dogs, election, why) Remainder tags the support tags, (OCD, GEMS, ACTIFIT, APPRECIATOR, ect) Content search needs to be relevant if a person types in 'Photography Portrait Cats' they don't want to find a poem about a lost love. The reason tags are complicated is because we have no standards for how they are used.

@summertooth

  1. Since they started on Steem I have been confused by the way they seem to compartmentalize our large group into these small places that are hard to find. The only other social media I look at is Twitter (glad to see the poshbot get downvoted too btw) and they don't seem to do this community thing. I like the old Steem way and the Twitter way, scroll everything, if I want to read about coffee I can easily search "coffee", or better yet if I am following a coffee blogger it just shows up in my feed.

@artemislives https://peakd.com/hive/@artemislives/improving-communities-my-top-3-improvement-ideas

  1. I would like to see the removal of the single Hive community owner and it somehow be a small collective with transparency.

  2. I would like to see published community reports on a regular basis, which could be auto-generated.

  3. I'd like to see some way of checking a user's engagement focus pattern - a "Whatever happened to..?" if you will.

All of that said, my preference is to remove the community idea altogether and keep special interests simply as an internal tag. Keep the existing bottom tags for external SEO purposes and create a clear, separate tag (like the current choice at the top of a new post) for delineating (and finding) special interest groups. I think we have over-complicated it.

@dfinney Remove them. Go back to tags only. The community feature is completely annoying. As is having a posts vs. blog area on our personal profiles. Now to find people’s post you have to search communities AND tags and it is a pain.

@bigtom13 https://peakd.com/hive-114105/@bigtom13/my-take-communities-brainstorming-challenge

  1. I think there should be a cost to a community. People do much better with each other when they have some skin in the game. It makes people have a certain amount of respect for the community and gives the community leaders some investment to protect. I'm not just completely sure that the 'cost' needs to be money but some sort of obligation to the chain.

  2. I think any community that wants to organize and be part of the chain should be able to. If Q-Anon wants to move to Hive they should be allowed to. Muting and moderating will need to be bulletproof for this to work and it would have to work both ways. If, say, a Q-Anon member wanted a larger audience and published her drivel in an open blogging community there should be a method and means to remove the offending post AND have there be repercussions to the writer. Cost.

  3. I don't think communities should necessarily be all about scale. Family sized communities to mega communities. Would play a part in what the 2nd level coins would function like.

  4. I'd love to see a real time chat function (that would go away after a period of time-not chain based). I could envision communities that have single photo posts as the norm.

@bozz https://peakd.com/hive-175254/@bozz/bozzlife-communities-brainstorming-challenge

  1. While many of the current communities have tokens, I think to remain viable pretty much all of them are going to need some kind of token. ... bloggers will instead earn the majority of their rewards in community tokens. We are already seeing that to some extent, but right now most community tokens are severely undervalued. That is why I also feel these community tokens need to have some kind of value or utility beyond just staking them so you can earn more of them.

  2. This one might be a bit controversial, but I really feel that for communities to thrive, there is going to need to be some kind of guaranteed benefit to being a member.

  3. Given my second idea of guaranteed rewards for posting content in a community, I think it is imperative that communities have people in place to police the community. It needs to be clearly stated and enforced that abuse will not be tolerated in the communities and there needs to be a united front when situations arise. Having clear, well-defined expectations from the get go will ensure there is no confusion about what is acceptable and what is not.

@TheHive https://peakd.com/communities/@thehive/thoughts-on-hive-communities

  1. We have a 'Our dApps' link in Condenser top menu (which goes to hive.io) but no Communities link

  2. Preset Tags for communities could be established and when searched would bring up a list of all sub categories within that tag. This would make it easier for specified communities to be found. By clicking a main category, things could be more user friendly and give visibility to a wider range of the same thing to the searcher. Like going to a department in a mega store.

  3. My understanding right now is that one community can be used on a post. After the post has been published it can be cross-posted to another community. The ability to post using more than one community tag and having the post go to all might serve as an advantage. Though to do this might result in the same post being listed numerous times in different communities. This could be considered as spam or plagiarised content? Let's make a nightmare for coders and have any Hive-000000 tag used list as the first tag. Effectively, listing one post under several communities at the time of publishing and avoiding the need to cross post to other communities. Or cross post at the time of publication.

  4. Some moderation of communities is needed. Maybe this ends up being done by front-ends. Maybe front-ends do become the tags. If someone see's the benefits to creating a front-end for photography publications. That could be a step toward this.

@victoriabsb https://peakd.com/communities/@victoriabsb/communities-brainstorming-challenge

  1. Make Discoverability of Communities More Easy: There are far too many and users get lost in the vast ocean of communities so, searching for one community in particular by theme should be easy to do, right now you can only search by name and if the community has a non-common name it doesn't help.

  2. Add a Chat Option: This would help even with on boarding more easily since the help can be in real time on the community and not on another place like discord.

  3. Allow to Separate Categories Within the Same Community: By adding tags to the post, you can categorize within the same community, maybe even allowing to add tabs for categories or sub categories, making content discovery in a community even more easy too.

@chrisrice I would like @ecency, @hiveblog (@blocktrades), @peakd and @dapplr to add an option of setting the max-accepted-payout for each person's #Community, in the management section of #Communities. This would allow #Dapps like @dbuzz (we have a max-accepted-payout of $1.00) to run seamlessly without people publishing spam from 3rd party Dapps knowing their post would rank higher above everything else. But that would also jut be a temporary fix, what we need is for #Communities to be able to set the max-accepted-payout at the blockchain level for their community so that there is no need to change the setting in each individual frontend.

@cadawg https://peakd.com/communities/@cadawg/communities-brainstorm-challenge

  1. Collaborative Moderation [needed]. I think this is one of the most powerful things for communities, working together, as it allows you to maintain a much higher quality of posts.

  2. It feels like running a community is quite an uphill battle sometimes. ... we need to work on different incentives to make communities worthwhile for everyone.

  3. As well as that it would be nice to feature communities at random, as I remember programming before one fateful post was pretty much a ghost town half of the month, and then only had a few contributors, whereas after that switch flipped, we've gotten a pretty steady stream of posts coming in.

  4. (Maybe) More Niche Communities: It feels like some of the communities become the default dumping grounds for new posts, making it a lot harder to find something you might like, I think this could work in tandem with the last sentances of the above, maybe even frontends could have different sub-communities (or even allowing tag filtering within larger communities would make this easier).

@pavanjr https://peakd.com/hive-102930/@pavanjr/communities-brainstorming-or-eng-esp-or [see post for mockup]

  1. Cover Image: Normally when we want to show a cover image, we simply upload the image to the post, the first image always becomes the cover that is displayed before opening the article. One idea that occurs to me is to have an option where you upload the image you want as the cover, without it appearing in the post when you open it.

  2. Private Messages: When you want to send a message to a user, we use the comment box of one of their articles, there is also the option of a memo on a transfer or we use the Discord, although the latter is not safe as many users do not use it. To improve this, a system could be applied where you can send a private message to the user, this option could be next to the notifications or in the profile options.

  3. Translator: One of the things I can think of to have a good experience in communities where you mostly see only one language (for example English), is to include an option to translate an article. We are very dependent on translators, at least this is the case for people who do not understand other languages (I am one of those). If translating an article is not an easy task, then an option could be applied to copy the entire text of the article and paste it into the translator.

@tarot911

  1. Sending private messages seems very necessary.

@riverflows

  1. Private messaging and a translator would be FANTASTIC.

@sirenahippie

  1. I really liked the theme of having different covers than the content photos.

@miriannalis

  1. The idea of ​​private messaging seems excellent to me, like that of the translator, it would save a huge work not to go through that process of copying and pasting in the translator.

@nathanmars https://hive.blog/hiveblopomo/@nathanmars/top-3-improvement-ideas-for-communities-or-or-communities-brainstorming-challenge-by-guiltyparties

  1. If you're creating a community on HIVE, you must focus on getting at least 100 core people to be part of your community. These first 100 people will be the foundation for everything that you build around community. Try to focus on building trust within the community and cultivate long term thinking.

  2. The community must have large HP (probably between 100k - 500k) to support everyone in the community.

  3. It would be good idea to build community around a single HIVE dapp, for example 3speak, leofinace, dapplr, spilinderlands, dbuzz etc.

@macchiata

  1. My top improvement ideas would be making muting author feature works. Now, that feature is useless because people who have been muted still able to post in the community which hinders the process of moderating the place.

@niallon11 https://peakd.com/hive-102930/@niallon11/communities-brainstorm [see post for additional details]

  1. For me the end goal of communities would be to have them on a separate page to the main feed and be able to customize them to a much larger extent. I would love be able to pay 20HBD and create the sports.hive community. One with my own landing page and options to make it look different to the art.hive community.

  2. Integrated ads on your community page to fund voting, moderation, participation. (Option 2: 5% Beneficiary to community to fund curation.)

  3. Better content discovery. Sub sections, search features, options to configure the page set up. Make it a home.

  4. Community post not to show up anywhere else unless shared to main blog by user.

@steevc https://peakd.com/hive-102930/@steevc/my-view-on-communities-brainstorming-challenge

  1. Stay on topic: They should be like reddit communities. You go there to discuss a topic with like-minded people.

  2. Engage: Communities can expand beyond the set of people you follow.

  3. Moderate: Moderation takes two forms. There is the act of voting to give rewards, but a community also requires moderation to keep it on topic. Community owners can appoint moderators who can pin and mute posts. You should publish rules for the community and enforce them to prevent abuse.

@cryptoandcoffee https://peakd.com/hive-101690/@cryptoandcoffee/communities-brainstorming-challenge

  1. Tokens: ... as this would incentivise new members to join and also to reward users who have been here from the beginning. I know many of us would not have a problem adding that account [community account] as a beneficiary on our posts.

  2. Curation account: Over time that account can grow and is the community account not being own by anyone, but belonging to everyone here.

  3. Moderation: The next point is members of the communities need to become more active policing what they see wrong. I don't see why it is always the same people doing the work that everyone should be doing. Just because you post in that community doesn't make you active in my eyes as what else are you actually doing. Users that hop around from community to community posting a post every other day are only milking what they can and to be fair are not adding anything back that helps that community.

@sultnpapper

  1. I can't go along with any type of censorship though (removing posts from the chain). If a community has someone they have issue with them boot them from the group.

@jangle

  1. I really like the idea of the chat. We have a discord server for our community but it would be cool to have a place on Hive for communicate.

@latino.romano https://hive.blog/hive-123585/@latino.romano/respuesta-al-desafio-3-ideas

  1. The implementation of a chat within the portal of each community. That each registered member can write something like a comment with an established word limit and that this is published in a kind of timeline similar to that of whatsapp or discord.

  2. There must be a form of control within each community chat. This responsibility would fall on each moderator and community administrator.

  3. The ranking list that shows which community is more popular than another should be eliminated. Many subscribe to a community just for the economic benefits they can obtain, that makes certain communities go to the top of some lists and attract more people and subscribers who are not there to build a community, but to earn tokens. This weakens communities with less voting power and support, and ultimately weakens the entire Hive ecosystem.

@phabi https://hive.blog/hive-102930/@phabi/communities-brainstorming-ideas

  1. Highlights Statistics Of Community: It's cool that we can be able to see the number of subscribers a community have and also likewise the number of posts that have been published so far on it. But to me, it will be better if we can know the number of posts published in alike every week to know if a community is growing, just static, or better still lagging in the activity.

  2. Discussion Forum: It will be lovely for each community to have a discussion forum on the hive platform where a particular topic is to be discussed. And each topic should have a time frame: like a new topic every day or maybe a week depending on what the community chooses.

  3. Easy Way Of Sorting Communities: For a newbie, it may tedious to find the right community that supports intending posts. I think hive communities should be group into labels when searching through communities.

  • It will be nice if we look into the label General and be able to find Gems community, OCD community, Powerhousecreatives
  • Literature contests Inkwell, freewrites
  • Photography Photography lovers and Photofeed community. This will make a user know where his/her post belongs to.

@thekittygirl (and @melinda010100 by reference)

  1. Make Discoverability of Communities More Easy: There are far too many and users get lost in the vast ocean of communities so, searching for one community in particular by theme should be easy to do, right now you can only search by name and if the community has a non-common name it doesn't help.

  2. Allow to Separate Categories Within the Same Community: By adding tags to the post, you can categorize within the same community, maybe even allowing to add tabs for categories or sub categories, making content discovery in a community even more easy too.

  3. Beneficiary recommendation: A feature I would really like to see is community admins being able to set recommended or mandatory payout percentages (anywhere between 0.1% and 100%) that go to a dedicated community account. So that posting in a community and earning rewards there becomes a fundraising initiative for the entire community.

@shenan https://hive.blog/hive-165469/@shenan/komyuniti-o-komyuniti-mnenie-breinshtorm-idei-estafeta

  1. We can see the assignment of achievements from @hivebuzz , but this is generally and entirely from Hive.blog (Hive gamification experience - track your achievements on the Hive blockchain). You need to come up with something in terms of the achievement of publishing to a specific community.

  2. Arising from the first. It would be great if achievements were incentivized; a kind of loyalty program, such as:

  • number of posts (quality?) written to the community
  • period of time (term) how many bloggers are already in this community (subscribed to it)
  1. [Referal links for onboarding that are specific to the community/inviting users upon onboarding to community] What about the type of achievement in the community (1) and inclusion in the loyalty program (2) that bloggers who came through the referral link of the initial (blogger) subscribe and publish in the community (in order for the one brought to the community to become credited, you should install some "minimum" written by such a newbie - some posts that correspond to the quality rules of community posts; or the opposite - these posts are not flagged in any way, you set it yourself; and I just convey the point).

@buggedout https://hive.blog/communities/@buggedout/governance-of-communities

  1. Constitutional Settings on the Genesis Account: I really don’t like the term “Owner” when it comes to communities so I will call it the Genesis Account from this point. Basically the creation of a community starts with a Genesis Account and there is already some special “Community Settings” associated with this account. I suggest extending this in the form of what I call “Constitutional Settings” such as NumberOfModerators for the community, ProbationTime for new members before they can vote, VoteExpiryTime for governance votes to expire so that in-actives can’t effectively “brick” the community, GovernanceMode which starts out in Hierarchical Mode (as it is now) but can change to Caretaker Mode or Autonomous Mode as the community matures.

  2. Democratic Election of Moderators: Once the community has matured enough, the creator who is operating the Genesis account can change the GovernanceMode setting to Caretaker Mode whereby Moderators are no longer appointed by the Genesis Account, but are instead elected by the Members of the community. One vote per Member – just like any decent democracy should be. Voting could be conducted similarly to the current election of witnesses. Have a look at the NumberOfModerators and that’s how many votes you get if you have been a member longer than the ProbationTime. Here the creator still holds control of the Genesis Account and therefore maintains control of the constitution. They are the “Caretaker” of the community but the community can otherwise appoint Members and elect Moderators autonomously.

  3. Multi-Sig Genesis Account: As the community matures further the Caretaker can pass on the Genesis Account to the Moderators by changing the GovernanceMode to Autonomous Mode. Now the creator loses control of the Genesis Account (and the Community Constitutional Settings) and the Genesis account is then managed by the Moderators. Once again, just like real world democracy the Moderators might need a 2/3rds majority amongst themselves to change the Constitutional Settings and that is why the Genesis Account would then need to become a Multi-Signature account. At this point the community can then accumulate assets which would be controlled by the Genesis Account yet with democratic safeguards in place to protect the community assets from misappropriation.

@lukestokes

  1. Any 1 account, 1 vote approach can fail to a sybil attack. [Re: @buggedout's idea of: One vote per Member – just like any decent democracy should be.]

@erikah https://leofinance.io/@erikah/my-contribution-to-communities-brainstorming-challenge-by-guiltyparties

  1. Allow changing community after posting. I'm not the only one who has forgotten to choose a community and has ended up posting on their own blog by mistake. We all know after posting you can't change communities. I'm well aware that changing communities after posting will result in losing the community tokens you can earn, but at least you can place your post where it belongs. This would take care of those posts that are misplaced intentionally and will permit keeping your community clean.

  2. Allow communities already created to choose a niche after creation. When communities started, we got a lot of general communities that had no specific theme, topic, niche, many of which were only created for the community owner to have the biggest crowd. Now that the blockchain is focusing on communities and OCD along with other curation accounts are focusing on curating niche communities, maybe worth allowing general communities to change focus and choose a niche. Instead of having a bunch of dead, abandoned communities, maybe they can salvage a few and keep their users.

  3. Allow posts to be organized in categories within a community. This would be helpful in a community like needlework, photography, ecotrain to give you a few examples. We're at the beginning and some communities like @needleworkmonday is still small, but I hope it's going to grow in time and then this feature will come in handy. Categories like sewing, crocheting, embroidery (to name a few) would be useful as not everyone is interested in sewing or embroidery and scrolling through hundreds of posts will be difficult. The same goes for photography, ecotrain and other niche communities that are focusing on more than one category.

@chekohler https://peakd.com/@chekohler/my-contribution-to-communities-brainstorming-challenge-by-guiltyparties

  1. Monetising communities: If communities had things like push notification, email lists, SMS notification systems, they could pull both HIVER's and non-hivers into their vortex of content, curate and market their content to a wider audience. They could then sell space in their emails, for that advertiser who wants to reach people in that niche. They could have banners in their community that they have full control over, they could have banner space in their feeds they have full control over to monetise and then share with the community how they feel. Communities should be able to sell or have gamification, such as custom tags, custom banners, badges with their own mini-store. They could sell shout outs, do promoted posts with brands and more.

  2. Discussions: While posts do a lot to drive engagement, a lot of community engagement is hidden in the shadows of discord, if communities had open message boards the way Facebook has, with the option to have closed ones (paid ones, another monetisation) it keeps users on-site, drives user retention, keeps them involved and keeps the discussion going in communities.

  3. Fundraising: Communities all have their own objectives, so I think having a DOA of their own would be a cool option. This can be filled by pool inflation from posts in the community, beneficiary posting, donating and tipping. Create mini reward pools for competitions to keep their community more engaged and much more.

@no-advice

  1. One additional point that I see is the possibility to structure and operationalize governance of existing communities. There are millions of clubs out there that have to deal with yearly meetups to vote for the president of the club, as well as other boardmembers. The token technology should give them an easy (and with Stake adjusted voting a never in real life seen possibility favoring the more active) way to transfer their voting behavior into the next century. The technique should be transferrable to the website these clubs already use, to make an onboarding simple and to loose nobody.

@lilideleopolis https://peakd.com/hive-165469/@lilideleopolis/rozvitok-spilnot-rozdumi-diletanta

  1. [sub-communities] Make several thematic communities, such as: "Nature" (here are all the cute pictures with beetles, leaves and mushrooms); "Travels", "Culture and Art" (here you can write an impression of a concert, movie or brag about your own songs or poems); "Computer games"; "Psychology and Relationships"; "World of cryptocurrencies" and others. Communities should have some rules for posting so that people do not abuse words without words. And evaluate those who follow these rules! The best posts from each community can be chosen in Team Ukraine. In this way, we will be able to see only quality and good articles in the main community.

  2. Highway Guide for Beginners. In ukrainian. And that this information is stored permanently in each community.

@cranium https://peakd.com/hive-165469/@cranium/dumki-v-ramkakh-komyuniti-pro-komyuniti

  1. Increase the percentage of curatorial rewards received by community founders and administrators.

  2. It would be interesting to see more statistics on the community page, for example, which users posted how many messages, etc. The more similar statistical information, the more sports excitement will be included in users to be better… Hence the increase in activity.

  3. [Curation service for communities] It would be nice to see a kind of hivecurator6, hivecurator17 and so on, which would be engaged in curating messages in proven, strong communities that have proven themselves.

@yetaras https://www.aeneas.blog/hive-165469/@yetaras/spilnoti-pro-spilnoti-moyi-dumki-v-ramkakh-chelendzhu

  1. Curators should continue to be encouraged to seek out and reward quality content. I don't know how, maybe it is really worth increasing the percentage of curatorial rewards, as @cranium suggests in its post.

  2. Cats? (котиків) [awaiting to clarify what is meant here]

  3. Community competitions.

@brittandjosie https://hive.blog/hive-102930/@brittandjosie/communities-brainstorming-challenge-by-guiltyparties

  1. The communities in alfabetical order. Great way to have a clear view and searching makes it easier.

  2. The amount of community members in the list and all the community data a prospect member would need, either for blogging or to subscribe within the community in sight. The amount of members in the list will make it easier to decide in which community you want to post your blog, the more people the more exposure OR the least people the more dedicated the members in that particular community are to vote for eachother. The road map is ofcourse yours.

  3. A direct option link to go to the discord attached to the community.

  4. TAGS ~ there should be an order in tagging. 1st community , 2nd blog category , 3rd till 10th all the random tags available.

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